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Post by Wouter (Caracca) on Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:53 am

this seemed a good place as any place to place this info

the initial design/draft about mining according to Star Citizen : https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14522-Star-Citizen-Careers-Mining

The Two/Three most important section for us appear the be the last 3 paragraphs of the "FINDING A SUITABLE ASTEROID FIELD"  section (quoting it for the lazy people)

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Alternatively, miners may elect to employ the services of an information broker who, for a price, will offer the locations of a variety of smaller fields unknown to the public. While more reputable brokers will truthfully report the type and quantity of materials to be found within a particular field, there are some who have been known to exaggerate the assets contained within a field whose location they are seeking to sell.

The last and most time-consuming option – but also potentially the most lucrative for those able to master another discipline – in terms of finding an asteroid field to exploit is to simply act as a Pioneer and find your own. The Pioneer occupation specializes in the utilization of long range scanners and telemetry probes to scan huge swaths of space and find anomalies that warrant further investigation, with the end result that some turn out to be small fields of asteroids, occasionally with an attractive mix of valuable materials embedded within them. When acting in such capacity on your own – and not as an agent in the employ of another entity – the discovery of something remains known only to you. In such cases, you may elect to sell such information to a broker – with the price being dictated by the type and quantity of materials within the field, as well as the current market rates – who would then offer that information to others.

This last option – finding your own asteroid fields – has one variation that we expect to see widely utilized. Organizations may automatically share private discoveries amongst themselves, such that finding an asteroid field – or a derelict spaceship that could be salvaged, or astronomical phenomena that might be studied by an aspiring scientist, and other such things – would result in its location immediately becoming known to others within that organization but remaining hidden from the rest of the public. Thus, we expect that many organizations will wind up having a very vertically oriented and complementary set of occupations represented within its ranks, such that it can effectively cut out the middle man in many wealth-generating transactions and retain more value for itself and its constituents.



also while reading the part about the Orion ship ( https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14518-Rugged-Colossus-Orion-Mining-Platform )

I've saw the following line:
a single Orion can locate, identify and extract lucrative ores

also it appears that the Orion can hold more cargo units then for example a Caterpillar (16888 vs 3200 ), but i don't know how accurate that is. though seeing those numbers it might be subject to change.
However it appears that the cargo storage (containers) do appear to be interchangeable. so there might be a possibility to have some ships flying back and forward with those containers ( Starfarer/Caterpilar)  and have them being loaded by the drones from the ship.


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Post by Gabriel (greenlance) on Sat Feb 21, 2015 4:04 pm

Hey Caracca, thanks for the above info.

The things I was most interested in the Orion information release are below (with my initial thoughts/comments):

Exothermic Reaction Detector
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Every minable material has its own unique set of parameters dictating how much energy a given quantity can absorb, how quickly it can dissipate energy, how easily it can transfer excess energy to surrounding materials, its probability of fragmentation as energy levels reach critical levels, and numerous other things.

The average size of the fragments carved from an asteroid as the result of a mining beam being utilized, then, depend upon the amount of wattage the beam is injecting into the body, as well as the type of materials into which the energy is being directed.

As fragments are torn asunder from the parent body, they generate seismic tremors that resonate throughout the asteroid and only gradually dissipate. Some volatile materials are sensitive to such vibrations, and as such minimizing the magnitude of any such tremors is often of considerable concern. This is complicated, however, by the fact that such tremors are modeled independently of one another, with the sum total displacement caused by the superposition of the waves constantly being applied against the various materials within the asteroid. Thus, even a series of small tremors can present a serious threat depending upon how the waves interfere with one another.
1. Each minable material (metal? up until now we're working under the assumption the Orion mines metals, and hydrocarbons can be magically produced/harvested...where?) has parameters dictating energy absorption, dissipation of energy, transfer of energy, fragmentation (threshold/critical point and fracture behavior I'm guessing), and etc.
2. What if we want to access these volatile gases for refinement in a Starfarer? Also, lets hope there are different types of volatile gases and that size of gas deposit and density are not the only parameters determining criticality threshold.

Laser Seismometer
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The Laser Seismometer shows each individual tremor within an asteroid, as well as the superposition of the various waves. It also shows the vibrational thresholds for any seismically sensitive materials contained within the asteroid, assuming that an RMAP has been successfully injected. Explosions that occur as the result of a seismic event are often considerably more dangerous than chain reactions that consume a quantity of material in a localized area because they will cause all such material within the entire asteroid to detonate, with the end result often being the complete destruction of the asteroid, and a pronounced danger to any mining ship unfortunate enough to be in close proximity at the time. Fortunately, such events are often telegraphed in advance via seismic activity growing progressively more erratic and tiny pockets of material prematurely detonating and causing the ejection of small sections of the asteroid into space.

Highly compressed pockets of gas buried within an asteroid present another distinct danger to a mining operation. Exposure of even a small portion of a gas pocket to the vacuum of space results in an immediate explosive decompression that can splinter nearby sections of the asteroid, send astronauts hurtling through space, and generate considerable seismic turbulence.
1. Caracca...that seismometer LED screen. Makes me a little concerned they have no geoscience consultants on their payroll. Seismometers don't require 4 lines. However, it could be cool if they split up the seismometer readout based on direction of wave propagation and wave type. I'm no astrophysicist, so I don't know shit about waves in a vacuum, but I have a feeling they propagate...less. They need a medium in which to travel, so I wonder if the seismometer itself (all you need is a accelerometer, every smartphone is in and of itself a seismometer) is in the RAMP missile? Could the quality of the seismometer result vary based on precision of the RAMP placement? That would be fucking sweet! Smile

2. Science fiction, pockets of gas exposed to space cause explosive decompression...okay. I'll take it, whatever. Razz

Analytical Materials Processor
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The mining beam is equipped with a high-energy scanning probe called the Analytical Materials Processor that provides constant feedback as to what type of materials lie beneath the surface – within range of the probe – in the specified direction. Each material identified is presented on a horizontal bar graph replete with information regarding the depth at which it can be found and the approximate quantity.
1. Holy shit YES! Also, APPROXIMATE QUANTITIES? Fancy technology. Razz I would have been more satisfied with % of metals (a la spectrometry), but I'll take this too. I just hope they have a more or less complete periodic table represented in the game. Leave out most of the Actinoids and Lanthanoids, but for heaven's sake we better have more than 12 metals in this game.
2. I wonder if some of this tech will be available in smaller forms and can be equipped on another RSI ship (imagine a Connie Aquila outfitted as a mini mining analyzer, SWEET).
3. The fact that this is just an "Analytical Processor" gives me great hope that they are waiting for the research class ships (Endeavor) to have the heavier duty analysis and lab equipment (mass specs, spectrometers, electron microscopes, HC analysis, etc.).

Finally, I really like the idea of being able to refine on the go. You could head to an asteroid belt, camp out there with a starfarer and an escort before you fill up the ship with refined uranium (or some other high value metal, rare earths? i bet those fetch a nice price on the black market...). The fact that you can mine and then store stuff planetside is incredible too, could be a thing to do while we don't have an active contract. Mine the hell out of a metal when the price is down, then store it away for a day when the price spikes back up in a sector near us. Kind of a working investment in the PU. I'm guessing there will be some kind of inflation in the economy, so putting metals away might not be a bad idea for us to store currency.

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Re: Mining info

Post by Wouter (Caracca) on Sat Feb 21, 2015 4:27 pm

regarding the gasses, i believe they mentioned somewhere in the past that you can harvest these from either stars and/or gas planets.
however based on that and the current new mining intel,, i am also speculating that there will prolly be gas clouds ( in the same way that there are asteroid fields, maybe even mixed)

and with the regards of the geo-sciences, just mail them and tell them how wrong they are ;P ( as personally i only might have some sub-par knowledge about the subject). maybe think, OK we will have 4-d seismic mapping, therefor 4 lines.

i think the missile concept is nice.

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Could the quality of the seismometer result vary based on precision of the RAMP placement
from what i interpreteded from the report. yes Razz

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Post by Gabriel (greenlance) on Sat Feb 21, 2015 4:42 pm

Don't be so modest Caracca, I'm sure your G&G knowledge from Shell could kick me out of the solar system. I was never supposed to be a scientist, but I needed the money...Wink

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Post by Wouter (Caracca) on Tue May 26, 2015 5:04 pm

haha Wink

seems a joint mission with ESA and NASA is gonna do some interesting work in the future
see link below ( could not find a youtube link, so ignore the dutch)

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/6657306/a09b96c7/nieuwe_komeetmissie_.html


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Post by Christian (Frisian) on Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:14 am

Wouter (Caracca) wrote:haha Wink

seems a joint mission with ESA and NASA is gonna do some interesting work in the future
see link below ( could not find a youtube link, so ignore the dutch)

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/6657306/a09b96c7/nieuwe_komeetmissie_.html


very cool. thanks for sharing, wouter Smile

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